How to know when it's time. Ryan DeMay and Stephen Lord recap their 2025 SFMA session in Palm Springs with Meg and Chris. Two dream job quitters talk about how scary it can be to take a bet on yourself and forge a new path.

Here's what you'll hear in this week's Groundskeeper Chat:

  • Leaving when you're on top 
  • Calling your own shot 
  • Seeing more for yourself and future 
  • Building your timeline 

A little bit more about our guest:

Stephen Lord, CSFM is the former Head Groundskeeper for the Cincinnati Reds and current rep with Advanced Turf. He is a proud Michigan State Alumni and Spartan Fan. Ryan DeMay left his Gold Superintendent gig and work with the City of Columbus. He is now the owner and operator of Field Source Ohio.

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